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  Armageddon in 1975 'probability' or 'possibility'? Irrefutable Proof the Watchtower Said 1975 Was "Game Over!"

  by PhilsWager2 in

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  it's hard to know where to put this link to a polish book some of you older members probably read, while our newer members are seeking answers to questions the watchtower vehemently deny's!

  do i put this under "jw scandals" or "jw beliefs"?

  for decades without the internet many of us did not have access to all the publications written by early watchtower writers because access was hard, only men like raymond franz jr(god rest his brave soul) had the golden key for entering the library of all publications jws made.. can some of the older members remember people who sold their homes and others who bought things in the summer or fall of 1974 knowing they won't be paying for their purchases because jehovah will destroy all the creditors records when he kills them!

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  Bungi Bill

  While I would agree there is no smoking gun that just says the world is ending in 1975,

  The thought, though, was left hanging there - not once - but many, many times during the years 1966-1975. From that, it is obvious what the WTS wanted its readers to think:

  - i.e. that 1975 was going to be the year that saw "this system" end.

  That their publications presented 1975 as a "probability" rather than a mere "possibility" was even admitted to in the Kingdom Proclaimers book, that came out in the early 1990s.

  Examples in writing are not hard to find. To cite just two of many:

  • The one that kicked it all off Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God" (1966), which actually used the expression "appropriate" to describe the system ending in 1975.
  • That 1968 magazine article entitled "Why are you looking forward to 1975?"

  Particularly with that 1968 magazine article, even Blind Freddie (no relation to Mad Freddie!) could see the conclusion that the WTS wanted its readers to draw. And it worked! That is indeed what nearly all readers of those articles concluded.

  This is just what was written during those years leading up to 1975. What was spoken from the platform (at the Kingdom Hall, Circuit and District Assemblies, opening of new branch facilities etc) was often much more pointed. Some of that has been preserved in tape recordings, such as Charles Sunutko's infamous 1967 "Stay Alive until 1975" diatribe.

  So even if there is no actual, official, written statement to be found in which the WTS said outright in so many words that the end of the system would definitely happen in 1975, it certainly did nothing to discourage that idea, either:

  - somebody here on this post has used the term "threw gasoline" onto the situation. That would have to be the very kindest thing that could be said about the WTS's conduct over this matter during those years 1966 -1975. (Never mind that their 1963 All Scriptures Inspired publication cautioned against speculation about this date. By three years later, that had become "Old Light" - to be replaced by "New Shyte"!)

  Bill (who was an avid reader of everything the WTS printed over the years 1966 -1994)
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  Armageddon in 1975 'probability' or 'possibility'? Irrefutable Proof the Watchtower Said 1975 Was "Game Over!"

  by PhilsWager2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's hard to know where to put this link to a polish book some of you older members probably read, while our newer members are seeking answers to questions the watchtower vehemently deny's!

  do i put this under "jw scandals" or "jw beliefs"?

  for decades without the internet many of us did not have access to all the publications written by early watchtower writers because access was hard, only men like raymond franz jr(god rest his brave soul) had the golden key for entering the library of all publications jws made.. can some of the older members remember people who sold their homes and others who bought things in the summer or fall of 1974 knowing they won't be paying for their purchases because jehovah will destroy all the creditors records when he kills them!

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  Bungi Bill

  My analysis of WTS teaching assumes 4026 to be the date of Adam's creation.

  
  

  More about that word you just used ("ASSUME")

  - It makes an

  ASS

  out of U

  and ME

  If you at all know what is good for you, never assume anything!

  Bill.
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  Armageddon in 1975 'probability' or 'possibility'? Irrefutable Proof the Watchtower Said 1975 Was "Game Over!"

  by PhilsWager2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's hard to know where to put this link to a polish book some of you older members probably read, while our newer members are seeking answers to questions the watchtower vehemently deny's!

  do i put this under "jw scandals" or "jw beliefs"?

  for decades without the internet many of us did not have access to all the publications written by early watchtower writers because access was hard, only men like raymond franz jr(god rest his brave soul) had the golden key for entering the library of all publications jws made.. can some of the older members remember people who sold their homes and others who bought things in the summer or fall of 1974 knowing they won't be paying for their purchases because jehovah will destroy all the creditors records when he kills them!

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  Bungi Bill

  Fisherman,

  There is just a slight problem with what you just wrote:

  - the human species has been around a lot longer than 6000 years!

  Bill.
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  Armageddon in 1975 'probability' or 'possibility'? Irrefutable Proof the Watchtower Said 1975 Was "Game Over!"

  by PhilsWager2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's hard to know where to put this link to a polish book some of you older members probably read, while our newer members are seeking answers to questions the watchtower vehemently deny's!

  do i put this under "jw scandals" or "jw beliefs"?

  for decades without the internet many of us did not have access to all the publications written by early watchtower writers because access was hard, only men like raymond franz jr(god rest his brave soul) had the golden key for entering the library of all publications jws made.. can some of the older members remember people who sold their homes and others who bought things in the summer or fall of 1974 knowing they won't be paying for their purchases because jehovah will destroy all the creditors records when he kills them!

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  Bungi Bill

  Fisherman,

  Crazy Fred only introduced that particular escape clause after the calendar year 1975 had already begun. I can recall hearing a tape recording of that talk, when it was played at our Kingdom Hall, some time in February of 1975. Furthermore, this same talk had been recorded only several weeks earlier. Prior to 1975, there was certainly nothing said about the matter of Eve's creation and how that affected things. In fact, a magazine article in 1968 (entitled "Why are you looking forward to 1975?") emphatically stated that the time lag between the end of 6000 years of human creation and The Big A "might only be a matter of weeks." It was only after the hour of midnight, 31 December 1974, had rolled by that Mad Freddie decided he had better do something to cover his backside.

  Bill
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  How do you tell when the Governing Body is lying?

  by Esse quam videri in

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  Bungi Bill

  With the GB as with anybody else:

  - if it is in their interests to tell a lie, and they reckon they can get away with it, then that is what they are almost certain to do.

  Bill
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  40 years on - and still in Damage Control mode!

  by Bungi Bill in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  earlier this morning, i posted off to the the institute of engineers an application for membership as an "engineering associate":.

  - today being just over 40 years since the congregation's retards elders made me abandon my apprenticeship.. (in this part of the world, the pre-1975 hype was taken to that level.

  not being content to prevent young persons attending university, they went one step further and treated with hostility any youngster who would "tie up five years of their lives" by entering into an apprenticeship.

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  Bungi Bill

  Thanks, everyone, for your messages of support.

  
  

  The greatest revenge is living a happy and successful life!
  

  DesirousOfChange,

  You have really nailed it there!

  It is all too easy to become consumed by feelings of bitterness, yet the best way of giving that lot The Finger is just as you say - living a happy and successful life, regardless of the lies they told us.

  Bill.

  
  

  
  
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  40 years on - and still in Damage Control mode!

  by Bungi Bill in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  earlier this morning, i posted off to the the institute of engineers an application for membership as an "engineering associate":.

  - today being just over 40 years since the congregation's retards elders made me abandon my apprenticeship.. (in this part of the world, the pre-1975 hype was taken to that level.

  not being content to prevent young persons attending university, they went one step further and treated with hostility any youngster who would "tie up five years of their lives" by entering into an apprenticeship.

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  Bungi Bill

  millie210,

  We do, but it has an entirely different meaning down here!

  Bill
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  40 years on - and still in Damage Control mode!

  by Bungi Bill in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  earlier this morning, i posted off to the the institute of engineers an application for membership as an "engineering associate":.

  - today being just over 40 years since the congregation's retards elders made me abandon my apprenticeship.. (in this part of the world, the pre-1975 hype was taken to that level.

  not being content to prevent young persons attending university, they went one step further and treated with hostility any youngster who would "tie up five years of their lives" by entering into an apprenticeship.

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  Bungi Bill

  Here is the latest on this one:

  - today, I just received my graduation pack from the Engineering Institute of Technology (EIT), confirming that I have been awarded an Advanced Diploma in Electrcical Engineering, with "A" passes in all subjects.

  The next step should now follow without any geat drama - i.e. application for Membership of the Institute of Engineers.

  To those prize specimens who wrote that 1969 Awake article about "all young persons facing the fact that you will never grow old in This System" (me being 14 years old when that came out), I hoist the good old two-fingered salute to the bloody lot of you!

  This evening, I celebrated by downing three full-strength beers. I may have taken something stronger, except for having to go through the breathalyser process at 0500 hrs tomorrow morning, and this site has a zero-tolerance drug and alcohol policy (plus the fact I had to send one of my staff home last week for "blowing a few numbers" in that morning's breathalyser test!)

  Further, now having an engineering qualification under my belt, I have just thrown my cap into the ring for the Maintenance Superintendent's job at a major aluminium refinery (I believe those of you in North America both spell and pronounce this word as "Aluminum"?), which is within driving of my home. Hopefully, I will now be able to score a decent job without having to Fly-In/ Fly-Out to some site in the "Never Never" (to use that Australianism!). My family will be very happy about that, anyway, should I be successful.

  Bill.
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  Geoffrey Jackson Bio!

  by elkatire1980 in

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  2. bible

  in the watchtower august 15 in the topic: "let the many islands rejoice" appears the following paragraph: .

  then, however, it came time for a serious decision.

  would i accept a scholarship to go to university?

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  Bungi Bill

  Just a word or two here on nomenclature!

  Geoffrey Jackson hails from the Australian state of Tasmania, where the term "university" (often abbreviated to "uni " ) is invariably the one that is used. In this country, the expression "college" is used to describe a different intitution of learning - usually a high school that imagines itself to be (or is regarded to be) a cut above just "ordinary" high schools!

  So if Jackson did in fact turn down a scholarship ( or probably more to the point, thinks he turned down a scholarship) then it would have indeed been to somewhere that he would have known as a "university".

  Bill.
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  Geoffrey Jackson Bio!

  by elkatire1980 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the watchtower august 15 in the topic: "let the many islands rejoice" appears the following paragraph: .

  then, however, it came time for a serious decision.

  would i accept a scholarship to go to university?

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  Bungi Bill

  They are salesmen for their WT corporation, and salesmen lie.

  Wild_Thing, I believe you have hit the proverbial nail fair on the head!

  If it is in their interests to tell a few porkies, and they think they can get away with it, that is exactly what they are going to do.

  (I believe it is called "Gilding the Lily."

  Bill.